What really happened in the middle east

[Vegas]

We should just ban al religions except for scientology.

GO TOM!!!

[Bushido]

We should just ban al religions except for scientology.

GO TOM!!!

Didn't he got kicked off scientology?

[haxorico]

I've changed my mind - since I missed that Israel recently raided some Free Gaza relief supply ship and killed international passengers on it. (At least one US citizen!) I read one guy got shot - and after boarding shot again four times in the head! They were delivering medical supplies and the Israeli army thought it'd be fun to have it raided by elite soldiers. Israel confiscated all the video material filmed by the ships security cameras as well as made by the passengers. So how about we just nuke them all? There's a lot of oil, just vote for the republicans and it should be enough of a reason! I really don't get it - I know you're at war etc - But there is no excuse for such things, just like there was no excuse for killing Jews in Germany back then!

edit:
Oh all of that happened on international waters!

They took all the maerial that was filmed? how so it was on TV? you remind me somthing from Pirates Of The Carribbean 1...
"Its the black pearl... Iv heard stories about it.. never leaves any survivors"
"no survivers? then where the stories come from I wonder...."

And just that you brought up that subject...
Israel top priority (yes even above that US citizen) is its own citizens... Gazza is atm under a "siege" and isn't getting any supplies cause of a bilion and 1 reasons but to makes it short... 1 they are the enemy so duh? second, they hold Gilad Shalit, a prisoner for over 3 years and it is a method to make them want to give him back to us and they will get their siege over or somthing...

As for the ships.
1) they were warned by the navy that they are approaching a closed area (somthing like that) and if you ask me... I agree the commando shouldnt have got on-board... I think the navy should have blasted those ships that didnt stop...
2) Those ships could have had everything including guns and ammo or w/e so the israely commando got on board to check it out.. Ill link a vid at the bottom to show you that at start they were not even shooting they got bloody ganged up by trained terrorists (yes they were trained terrorists with "cold" guns) that whack the sh*t out of them with metal sticks, knives and they threw some from the top of the deck to the bottom (over 2 floors). At start the commando fired PAINT BALLS and stuff that arent dangerous though when they saw they were threatend by their lives they used live bullets...

It only happened on 1 ship and that 1 ship and the purpose of killing the israel commando they knew will come on board..

Sorry again for the block of text
VIDS!
warning - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKOmLP4y ... re=related
soldiers go down ropes and get hit hard - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcb ... re=channel

btw I forgot to mention. They were offered to go to Ashdod and israel would check the supplies and deliver it after it was done by force israel did that exact thing.

[Dekar]

Yeah they've released like 1 minute - ofc Israel censored it and released something that made them look like the good guys. If they didn't have to hide something they wouldn't have taken the footage in the first place! There were even German politicians on board of the ship, what makes you think it was a terrorist ship? If it was a terrorist ship - why would Israel have sent the survivors to turkey? Do you really wanna tell me our politicians are terrorists? Man your arguments aren't even funny -.-" Oh and it's proven there wasn't a single gun on that ship!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UHKLWIjeFo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiCGD793na8

[haxorico]

Be suprised that you don't need guns to kill people. Metal sticks and knives will do OK aswell..
And I wasn't saying all those on-board the ship were terrorists though there was a big part and those terrorists are still in Israel being interegated...

Why I say they are terrorists? Well if whats on the vid isn't enough there was money found on most of those cought with instructions of what to do and who stands where...

Censord? Well your telling me the vid I posted is fake? It shows the start and what was done to the soldiers and at the end it shows a soldier firing some live rounds to clear up what happened...

[Dekar]

Don't pretend I said I'd be fake - I never did. It is just 1 minute footage - The point is they even shot people before boarding the ship and now they pretend they never did. To back that up they censored the rest of the videos/photos. There have been hours of footage but Israel is keeping them and releases only those parts which make them look like the good guys.

[haxorico]

hmpf... You are saying what starting to be kinda redicules.. as in saying somthing un-proven yet claimed that happen you say it was censord? so what makes you say that happens?

But lets go back a little bit.. out of 6 ships 1 was troubled and the reason is for what I clame terrorisem and self defence... I doubt any other country would just let them pass...

I said it before and Ill say it again... IDF (Israel Defence Force) First main priority is protecting its own citizens.. lets not forget that...

Second, they were offered to go to ashdod port, what evetually happened and let israel examine the supplies then send it over there themselvs... Which was what happened at the end..

Third, You cannot just expect to be crossing a border into a dangours place and expect after a warning to just keep going forward...

[Dekar]

I never said Id expect that, stopping them was their right! Shooting people from their ship and from the chopper was plain wrong. My key argument is: "Why did the IDF take all the video footage and release only parts?" Do you get that now? Why did they do it? In my opinion they did it since they behaved wrong and have to hide what they did. Why else would they do that? It's censorship what they do!

[haxorico]

For what I know the vids are a theory and I can't say there were any... and if there are footage Ill be happy to see them
Behave wrong? well In my opinion they shouldnt go aboard the ship.. they have blasted that thing..

[Dekar]

Sure if you want war with Europe and the USA blast it - you won't last long XD
Ofc there are videos, several passengers have reported that the IDF took them.